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Trying to come up with a list of OC/CC, CPL/noCPL requirements

sprinklerguy28

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SpringerXDacp wrote:
I don't understand what part of "if that possession is with the permission of the owner or an agent of the owner of that entity" is confusing.  IMO, the intent here is very clear that a person OC'ing without a "license from this state or another state to carry a concealed weapon" or does not have permission from owner/agent is in violation of 234d.

You're saying that it's perfectly legal for an individual without a CPL to walk around OC'ing in a Wal-Mart, a store licensed to sell alcohol?  If so...

First of all, one of the key words in 234d is "premises."  Premises, by definition, includes the land the buildings/structures (parking lot of Wal-Mart) are placed.  A person without a CPL or permission is already in violation of 234d before he or she even gets to the front door. 


 

MY Mistake, I was tired and misread. I didn't catch the "without CPL"
 

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SpringerXDacp wrote:
You're saying that it's perfectly legal for an individual without a CPLto walk around OC'ing in aWal-Mart, a store licensed to sell alcohol? If so...

Maybe I missed something, I was referring only to churches, regarding carrying either CC or OC onpremises.

As far as WalMart, or any other storeselling alcohol,I am seeking clarification.

It is now my understanding that one may not carry at a store selling alcohol without a CPL, and only OC with CPL. If Im screwed up, lemme know.
 

sprinklerguy28

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You are correct. OC requires either a CPL or Permission for anywhere licensed to sell alcohol or other CEZs listed in 234d. Church requires permission to CC with a CPL.
 

SpringerXDacp

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stainless1911 wrote:
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Maybe I missed something, I was referring only to churches, regarding carrying either CC or OC onpremises.

As far as WalMart, or any other storeselling alcohol,I am seeking clarification.

It is now my understanding that one may not carry at a store selling alcohol without a CPL, and only OC with CPL. If Im screwed up, lemme know.
See the Hot Topics sub-forum
 

Venator

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stainless1911 wrote:
SpringerXDacp wrote:
You're saying that it's perfectly legal for an individual without a CPLto walk around OC'ing in aWal-Mart, a store licensed to sell alcohol? If so...

Maybe I missed something, I was referring only to churches, regarding carrying either CC or OC onpremises.

As far as WalMart, or any other storeselling alcohol,I am seeking clarification.

It is now my understanding that one may not carry at a store selling alcohol without a CPL, and only OC with CPL. If Im screwed up, lemme know.

Not quite right. With a CPL you can carry concealed in any place that has a liquor license EXCEPT a tavern or bar that makes the majority of their income from liquor. But with a CPL you can OC in a place like that.

With a CPL you can carry concealed in a Mejiers, Kroger's, etc.
 
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