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AWDstylez

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SteveInAshand wrote:
Quotas NO
Equil opportunity YES



That's easier said then done. Where do you draw the line? Equal opportunity... equal to what? Are a bunch of poor kids in ghetto that have all dropped out of school and are working to support their families "equal" because they're equal to each other? Are they not equal because all the kids a county over have well-off families and they're able to go to school without a care in the world? If those two groups of kids aren't equal enough and you think they should be more equal, then how far do we go? Do we give the poor kids' families money until they're as well-off as the other families, or do we just give them enough so they aren't worried about whether they're going to have another meal or not?

Once you start asking all those specific questions the situation gets very sticky and far from black/white clear.
 

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AWDstylez wrote:
SteveInAshand wrote:
Quotas NO
Equil opportunity YES



That's easier said then done. Where do you draw the line? Equal opportunity... equal to what? Are a bunch of poor kids in ghetto that have all dropped out of school and are working to support their families "equal" because they're equal to each other? Are they not equal because all the kids a county over have well-off families and they're able to go to school without a care in the world? If those two groups of kids aren't equal enough and you think they should be more equal, then how far do we go? Do we give the poor kids' families money until they're as well-off as the other families, or do we just give them enough so they aren't worried about whether they're going to have another meal or not?

Once you start asking all those specific questions the situation gets very sticky and far from black/white clear.
MY REPLY: True, I think its up to us to treat kids as special individuals on an even field.

I want kids to start early not feeling like crap for being poor or crippled etc...

Along with a compassionate dose of reality that some kids cannot play ball as good as others and some kids are smarter than others, but all of us are even in the eyes of the G man.

I know that socialists want to execute excellence and "make" everyone equal in mediocrity, what I want is everyone have an equal base to start from in order to succeed or fail.

I only want the beginning to be equal, the middle and the end is not important to me.
 

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Here's something you should read, FULLY:

http://www.usavsus.info/ThreeUnitedStatesDefined.htm
The first (1) "United States" is as a sovereign among the nations of the World under International Law (a nation amongst nations). It consists of (1) the Union States and (2) the federal zone (District of Columbia, U.S. territories and possessions, forts, magazines, arsenals, dockyards, and other needful buildings), and is represented collectively in the international arena by the U.S. Consuls abroad as one and the same entity. The flag that properly represents it in the world arena is "Old Glory".

The second (2) "United States in Hooven, supra, was created by the Constitution in Art. 1 ,Clause 8, Cls. 17 and 18. This "second United States" received further authority when under Art. 4, Clause 3, C1. 2, "to dispose of and make all needful Rules and Regulations respecting the territory or other Property belonging to this United States" but it gave no authority to Congress to extend its municipal authority into the Union States. The latter gave Congress power to extend its jurisdiction (law making powers) beyond the limits of the District of Columbia over which Congress was to exercise "exclusive Legislation" to include the former territories such as the Northwest territory, Alaska, Hawaii, and the Philippine Islands, and currently, American Samoa, Guam, Puerto Rico, the Virgin Islands, the Northern Mariana Islands, and other territories, possessions, areas and enclaves. It's flag is the Stars and Stripes with the yellow fringe representing a plenary Martial Law jurisdiction. The geographical area known as the "United States" (DC) has its own citizens. (see United States vs. Cruikshank, 92 U.S. 588) who are generally referred to as United States citizens. The yellow-fringed flag signifying this jurisdiction is not for decorative purposes. It signifies the jurisdiction of the District, also known as the Corporate U.S. Federal that has been extended into the Union states by the 14th Amendment. This is the flag of the Democracy. It should be obvious to everyone who observes the flag next to his Senator or Representative from Washington D.C., that he represents the Districts interest in the area of his constituency and not the other way around. When the function of the Circuit Courts of the United States of America was changed to appellate status by another layer of courts, these courts were labeled United States District Courts-- the courts of the District. Where are the courts of the United States of America sitting today ??


The third (3rd) "United States" ( of America ) described in Hooven, supra, is the 50 Union States united by and under the Constitution. This "3rd united States" (of America) is known as the Republic. It's flag is "Old Glory" In the Constitutional Courts, the civil authority of the Constitution is signified by the Stars and Stripes hung vertically behind the bench just as it hangs behind the Speaker's Chair in the house of Representatives. Why, one might logically ask, is that not found in our courtrooms today?


The Republic has state Citizens, state nationals, and American nationals. They are members of the Sovereign who qualify as such by being Members of the Posterity referred to in the Preamble and can only be the Natural Born or Naturalized Inhabitants of each state whose forefathers delegated by solemn agreement certain powers to the Congress of the "United States" (D.C.), which powers are limited to those delegated in Art. 1, Clause 8, Cls. 1-16 and Art. 4, Clause 3, Cl. 2, though today unlawfully expanded far beyond Constitutional limits by the usurpation on the one hand and by the deception of offering benefits by contract which said members of the Sovereign unwittingly and unknowingly enter into without having full disclosure.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lVsMUpPgdT0

The Obligation of Subjects to the Soveraign



biiignaassty wrote:

Our government is not sovereign, it never has been, that was the beauty and the groundbreaking aspect of the American system as opposed to the old world. The American system essentially reversed the long held mantra that only government is sovereign. Our government derives it's authority from us, the people, to do our bidding.


US gives China Eminent Domain over US Property
What are we going to do about it?

Q.) How can the federal government, which HOLDS NO SOVEREIGNTY, seize, confiscate and give away property inour nation legally?

A.) They can't, but then thelegality of the federal mafia's actions has never been a concern for them.









 

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REPLY TO "SOVEREIGN" : My 46 year old dear friend and loosely associated church member came from England, he married a young lady and has 2 kids, he lives on a large remote ranch in Oregon that is church property , every one there if a member of the church and has a stake in the property.

The father of his wife is the patriarch and lead pastor, he has a 501c3 and a radio /internet sermons, a local in person church with associated churches in many states.

His kids do not have social security numbers, nor does his about 30 year old wife.

They consider themselves belonging to God not to the United States.

They do not believe in being citizens and having a SS# to them is a kind of form of evil registration of humans.

They did not get a marriage certificate / license, they say they will not put their hand on a bible and swear an oath to any entity but God , not to a court or to the military.

He is solid in his beliefs and they make sense in a historical , biblical philosophical way, I agree about the marriage license being a stupid government ploy to validate my love for another person and collect a tax at the same time.

I have issues when they expect "us" to fight & die in obscure war's to keep them free enough to farm and run cattle and have BBQ's at our bloods expense.

I have issues that they wont even join the military or a local police dept and let us police the world and the local county.

They don't vote they say its a waist of time.

They expect us to pay money into the treasury ( local - state -federal taxes) to keep the roads open so they can drive to the local Wally Marty to buy new pairs of Wranglers for the clan.

I know full well that this country is not truly free, BUT it is the "best of the worst", and still worth putting your butt on the line for.

Hiding out in the back country is not patriotic nor brave. Its isolationist and separatist, Yes I too live on a large ranch , yes I want my possible future kids to live apart from the big city and grow up innocent and clean, and yes I want my neighbors to be deer not people, BUT I am involved in life and life in my world is America and those who live in it and make it better or worse.

The ranch is a refuge from the culture war for my country, not a hide out away from the war.

I believe you should change the system from the "inside", not the outside.

For every jaundice government bureaucrat there should be a good bright tuff man to counter them in every office face to face, for every angry bitter jerk cop with a John Wayne complex there should be a level headed decent tuff patient cop checking him and keeping his own troops in line, and so on and so on down the line of society.

Ronald Regan was not a dissident nor outsider hiding out as an actor, he got involved in the fight against Marxist socialism in his profession in his day, he did not hide out at Rancho DelCiero, he was on the ground in the trenches.

That whole Sovereign thing is nice, but I see a kind of "im better than you" , "God has chosen me" ego , with a dash of paranoid isolationist going on with a sprinkle of chicken s*** on top.

So the rest of us stay out here engaged in society fighting the evil scum off, protecting the weak, aiding the hurt, paying for the infrastructure , protecting the young , educating the naive, and the Amish types are no were to be found :X
 

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Aran wrote:
Exactly. The Jews and blacks deserve nothing. That's precisely what he was saying.



Take your racist accusations elsewhere.
Being ajew...is being of the jewish religion - not a 'race'.
 

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Aran wrote:
Rayce Bannon wrote:
Aran wrote:
Exactly. The Jews and blacks deserve nothing. That's precisely what he was saying.



Take your racist accusations elsewhere.
Being ajew...is being of the jewish religion - not a 'race'.
So you have nothing against Jews, but those blackies, those you hate.
How in the hell did u ever cum to the conclusion that I disliked any race or religion? LOL. Read over anything I hav written and tell me how u jumped into the realm of 'hate'? LOL
 

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Rayce Bannon wrote:
Aran wrote:
Rayce Bannon wrote:
Aran wrote:
Exactly. The Jews and blacks deserve nothing. That's precisely what he was saying.



Take your racist accusations elsewhere.
Being ajew...is being of the jewish religion - not a 'race'.
So you have nothing against Jews, but those blackies, those you hate.
How in the hell did u ever cum to the conclusion that I disliked any race or religion? LOL. Read over anything I hav written and tell me how u jumped into the realm of 'hate'? LOL

You post crazy.

I post crazy.
 

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MeBaby wrote:
compmanio365 wrote:
Obvious troll is obvious......I hold someone's opinion in little regard if they can't spell or write correctly. And to come on here with no history and tell us we are all wrong and should get with the program is the height of arrogance.
You guys must not text message much then because that is what he is using. LOL
Nah, I can read it. TXT is a language (for lack of a better term) that formed in an environment where speed is more important than accuracy (IRC, IM, Cellphones). It is useful and appropriate in a certain environment. I've been know to use it myself. But to use it in a place where time is not a factor, and spellcheck is readily available is just lazy and ignorant.
 

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SteveInAshand wrote:
MY REPLY: True, I think its up to us to treat kids as special individuals on an even field.

I want kids to start early not feeling like crap for being poor or crippled etc...

Along with a compassionate dose of reality that some kids cannot play ball as good as others and some kids are smarter than others, but all of us are even in the eyes of the G man.

I know that socialists want to execute excellence and "make" everyone equal in mediocrity, what I want is everyone have an equal base to start from in order to succeed or fail.

I only want the beginning to be equal, the middle and the end is not important to me.



Sounds good to me.
 
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