It appears I-ANAL their ban is moot without authority to make effective/constructive trespass notice. No sign, no notice, no disruption, carry on! To be clear, $5 coffee is of no interest to any rational being.
It appears I-ANAL their ban is moot without authority to make effective/constructive trespass notice. No sign, no notice, no disruption, carry on! To be clear, $5 coffee is of no interest to any rational being.
Mr. Schultz, I am not a "gun grabber" nor am I a "tea bagger", but I am a man that has patronized your business repeatedly because of the previous stance of allowing open carry in your establishments. Though I do not care for guns, I respect them and they are a Constitutional right. And now you change your mind.
The pro-gun community has done you no harm. That's ok, you are a business and you may do as you wish. And so shall I. I feel far more comfortable in a cafe with people open carrying responsibly than I do a cafe where employees act recklessly out of disregard for their customers (the last two Starbucks I was at, one in Copper Mtn. CO and the other in Rock Springs WY Safeway).
Like I said sir, "that's ok sir", as I can get better tasting coffee cheaper elsewhere. Bringing you money serves no purpose clearly and I thank you for setting me straight on that.
BTW, I started a profile on your Starbucks site, and no matter what I do it's never enough so I could respond to your letter regarding this issue. Well, if you have such disregard for the computer privacy of your clients, then your clients can clearly find a much better corporations to do business with. Having to accept third party cookies as well as unrelated widgets and trackers is completely uncalled for. To the extent sir that I compare it equivalent to asking to see my wife's underwear. Now you HAVE taken the cake. And as such my money spends beautifully anywhere you're not.
regards,
It appears I-ANAL their ban is moot without authority to make effective/constructive trespass notice. No sign, no notice, no disruption, carry on! To be clear, $5 coffee is of no interest to any rational being.
Starbucks never said they were pro 2nd amendment. They are pro profit and this decision the fact that guns make some of their customers uncomfortable.
For those of you who carried an AR into Starbucks to "support" them, are you surprised at this request by Starbucks?
It's time for these OC protests to reevaluate their tactics because they cause us to lose places we can open carry, not gain them.
+1. Just like Walmart, Bestbuy, etc, etc. They never were truly pro-gun. They just said whatever state law says.
If true, they're choosing a strange way to go about it, turning away customers & angering a large portion of the US population.coorsleftfield said:Starbucks never said they were pro 2nd amendment. They are pro profit
It's time for these OC protests to reevaluate their tactics because they cause us to lose places we can open carry, not gain them.
? I hope I'm reading this wrong, but did WM &BB declare themselves criminal empowerment zones too?Tucker6900 said:+1. Just like Walmart, Bestbuy, etc.
deepdiver said:Starbuck's response that it is not a "ban" but a request, shows that they still don't want to be in the middle of it... They want you to come in, buy some coffee and baked goods, eat, drink, leave just like any other coffee bar type place. If OC activists who would go to Starbucks anyway, go there OC to get coffee and don't make a deal out of it, this will all be forgotten by everyone soon enough. But if we boycott or make this an even bigger deal they will go to a ban.
Did you miss where the CEO said we're not welcome?if you are a customer irrelevant to the 2A issue, then by all means patronize them OC and enjoy their products and this will all die down soon enough.
No, but I also saw where he said it was not a ban. They are threading the needle here. The CEO makes clear that the reason for this is that activists put them in the middle of the debate and they just wanted to stay out of it. I assume that not being a "ban" they are also not going to post no firearms signs. Furthermore, I wouldn't know anything about this unless someone had mentioned it to me as I have been weaning myself from being a news/political hound for a bit for my mental health. So, if you OC but do not follow the news and are not active on firearms forums which describes many people and since Starbucks is apparently not posting no gun signs, and since the CEO says employees are not to confront armed people or to ask them to leave, how would all those gun carrying people know about this? How would they know it is "policy"? They won't! And they will carry in the store and no employee will say anything and no one will care. It will be like it was before activists made it all a big deal in the first place (way to "normalize" open carry )Did you miss where the CEO said we're not welcome?
"I am writing today with a respectful request that customers no longer bring firearms into our stores or outdoor seating areas."
Sounds like company policy to me. And I don't think they'd win in court claiming "we're not prohibiting people". When the CEO makes a 'polite request', esp. when he reinforces his "don't come here" via national media, that's company policy.
So no, don't go there OC, or cc, and preferably don't go there at all to spend money.
Maybe stop by your local store with a "no guns, no money" card & tell them how sorry you are they don't want you as a customer any more. Use the drivethrough if you don't have a car safe to leave your pistol for 5 min.
My email to Starbucks:
Goodbye Starbucks. Your recent decision to blame the gun owners of America for dragging you into the gun control debate has caused me to take my business elsewhere. Maybe you should have asked the anti-gun groups to leave you alone as much as you asked the law abiding gun owners to leave you alone.
For those of you who carried an AR into Starbucks to "support" them, are you surprised at this request by Starbucks?