Both of these statements are great, but the latter statement is exceptionally logical.
I know how the CCer would respond though. "Who cares about the criminal?"
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Open carry is uncivilized
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Both of these statements are great, but the latter statement is exceptionally logical.
I know how the CCer would respond though. "Who cares about the criminal?"
Arin Morris
Regular Member
My response to that would be to ask what they think happens after the shoot. I don't care about the criminal. I care about my family and me. There are consequences to actions, even if they are justified.
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marshaul
Campaign Veteran
My own answer:
I care for everyone. I just care for myself more.
The firearm makes it clear what the stakes are. If a would-be criminal does not wish to predate upon me, given firmly-established stakes of life or death, I am happy to let him abort and think about his ways. If a criminal wants to go there anyway, I am content to put him down or die trying.
I care for everyone. I just care for myself more.
The firearm makes it clear what the stakes are. If a would-be criminal does not wish to predate upon me, given firmly-established stakes of life or death, I am happy to let him abort and think about his ways. If a criminal wants to go there anyway, I am content to put him down or die trying.
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Primus
Regular Member
b0neZ
Regular Member
One wonders if the person whom told you that has a militia comprised of Unicorns, Hope, and Change...
Primus
Regular Member
Primus
Regular Member
Relax. It was a joke. You of all guys should know how to take one.
Sorry to disappoint but there are no "sides" and none of these militias (to include yourself) have anything to do with the penalty for "treason".
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F350
Regular Member
This little ditty aught-a make them soil themselves...
SFCRetired
Regular Member
Just to weigh in with another state's (Alabama) view of concealed carry:
1. The act of the 1st of February, 1839, "To suppress the evil
practice of carrying weapons secretly," does not either directly,
or indirectly tend to divest the citizen of the "right to bear arms
in defence of himself and the State;" and is, therefore consistent
with the 23d section of the 1 Art. of the constitution.
Cite is from State vs Reid, 1840.
That far back, the act of carrying a concealed weapon was considered evil. :lol:
This also points up the fact that open carry is, and always has been, legal in the Great State of Alabama.
1. The act of the 1st of February, 1839, "To suppress the evil
practice of carrying weapons secretly," does not either directly,
or indirectly tend to divest the citizen of the "right to bear arms
in defence of himself and the State;" and is, therefore consistent
with the 23d section of the 1 Art. of the constitution.
Cite is from State vs Reid, 1840.
That far back, the act of carrying a concealed weapon was considered evil. :lol:
This also points up the fact that open carry is, and always has been, legal in the Great State of Alabama.
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OC for ME
Regular Member
https://malegislature.gov/Laws/GeneralLaws/PartIV/TitleI/Chapter269/Section10
https://malegislature.gov/Laws/GeneralLaws/PartI/TitleXX/Chapter140/Section131
navigating the state laws of MA gave me a headache...convoluted.
Anyway, it seems that carry is OK with a Class A or B, I think. OC is not mentioned, or I could not find references to the manner of carry.
Primus
Regular Member
Never have. Never seen an open carrier in my city other then myself. Only MWAG calls I go to is when someone I'd being robbed/shot/ assaulted or some other illegal violence.
I've had a guy who was hammered while driving (fell into the back of his car while doing field sobriety HE insisted on doing to show me how soooiber he was). This guy happened to lie to me and had a loaded gun stored in his vehicle. He was called a cab home and his gun was stored at the station till he came back SOBE the next day. Let's say he was extremely grateful.
Ive had a few other intersections with legal gun owners. Never busted their chops or made any type of arrest. Ever.
And I'll say again... YOU can put me on what whatever "side" you want my friend. But I refuse to even acknowledge there are "sides". There isnt. I'm a gun owning freedom loving dude who owns a house and has a family just like you. I put my pants on just like you and work a full time job just like everyone. If YOU think my job puts me on a different "side" the that's your problem. Its made up in your head if so.
The only "side" I'm on is legal good guys. Period. That should be every dude on this forum. Doesn't matter if I flip burgers or sell cars.
To think that ones employment dictates anything else is naïve. Among many other things.
I still love you even when your totally wrong.
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marshaul
Campaign Veteran
Never have. Never seen an open carrier in my city other then myself. Only MWAG calls I go to is when someone I'd being robbed/shot/ assaulted or some other illegal violence.
I've had a guy who was hammered while driving (fell into the back of his car while doing field sobriety HE insisted on doing to show me how soooiber he was). This guy happened to lie to me and had a loaded gun stored in his vehicle. He was called a cab home and his gun was stored at the station till he came back SOBE the next day. Let's say he was extremely grateful.
Ive had a few other intersections with legal gun owners. Never busted their chops or made any type of arrest. Ever.
And I'll say again... YOU can put me on what whatever "side" you want my friend. But I refuse to even acknowledge there are "sides". There isnt. I'm a gun owning freedom loving dude who owns a house and has a family just like you. I put my pants on just like you and work a full time job just like everyone. If YOU think my job puts me on a different "side" the that's your problem. Its made up in your head if so.
The only "side" I'm on is legal good guys. Period. That should be every dude on this forum. Doesn't matter if I flip burgers or sell cars.
To think that ones employment dictates anything else is naïve. Among many other things.
I still love you even when your totally wrong.
Obviously, I don't think any of us are prepared to argue with any of this. The problem is, it doesn't always jibe with your... readiness to defend cops for behavior which is at the very least demonstrative of a need for reform in training practices, policies, etc.
sudden valley gunner
Regular Member
Oh there are sides.
Those who think that if we don't like the infringements on liberty need to leave are on one side for sure....
Those who think that if we don't like the infringements on liberty need to leave are on one side for sure....
Definitely. There are a horde of government employees from various alphabet soup agencies trying to infiltrate, spread dissent within and discredit any and every law abiding militia in the nation by any means possible. Obviously there are sides. Just look at what happened to the Wisconsin State Militia and the staged firing position set up at the overpass near the Bundy ranch. Two very good examples.