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Pro-Gun Movies

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Deanimator wrote:
I forgot "The Patriot"! "Aim small, miss small."

That movie made blood shoot from the eyes of the antis! "He gave guns to CHILDRENNNNNNNN!!!!!!!!" :D
I thought that movie was cheesy and played too fast and loose with history, but that one scene made it worth the ticket.
 

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Tomahawk wrote:
Deanimator wrote:
I forgot "The Patriot"! "Aim small, miss small."

That movie made blood shoot from the eyes of the antis! "He gave guns to CHILDRENNNNNNNN!!!!!!!!" :D
I thought that movie was cheesy and played too fast and loose with history, but that one scene made it worth the ticket.
I had forgotten that one in a pro-gun context. I have to admit thatwas one of my favorite lines, too. The kidwhispering it to himself as he drew a bead on a redcoat.

My otherfavorite lines:

"We came to the right place." (thebeginning of the tavern recruiting scene right after he shouts 'God save King George.')

"If I am going to die, I want to die well-dressed." (the French officer the morning of the climactic battle)

And who can forget actor Jason Issacs, the consumate villain, playing Col. Tavington, "The village? No. Burn the church."
 

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Tomahawk wrote:
Deanimator wrote:
I forgot "The Patriot"!  "Aim small, miss small."

That movie made blood shoot from the eyes of the antis!  "He gave guns to CHILDRENNNNNNNN!!!!!!!!"  :D
I thought that movie was cheesy and played too fast and loose with history, but that one scene made it worth the ticket.
I detest Gibson's ever-present historical revisionism.

Braveheart and The Patriot rank #1 and 2, respectively.

To be honest, the man has become so ridiculous, the last time I watched The Patriot (for some reason I bought the DVD) I basically laughed from start to finish.

What an absurd pile of shit.

Good fight scenes, though. No denying that.
 

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marshaul wrote:
Tomahawk wrote:
Deanimator wrote:
I forgot "The Patriot"! "Aim small, miss small."

That movie made blood shoot from the eyes of the antis! "He gave guns to CHILDRENNNNNNNN!!!!!!!!" :D
I thought that movie was cheesy and played too fast and loose with history, but that one scene made it worth the ticket.
I detest Gibson's ever-present historical revisionism.

Braveheart and The Patriot rank #1 and 2, respectively.

To be honest, the man has become so ridiculous, the last time I watched The Patriot (for some reason I bought the DVD) I basically laughed from start to finish.

What an absurd pile of @#$%.

Good fight scenes, though. No denying that.

Well, except for the fact that the fictional Lt. Col. Tavington (modeled on the real-life SOB Lt. Col. Banastre Tarleton) never missed when firing at moving horsemen at extreme range with his flintlock pistol, and the magic musket reloading rates, and the giant cannon fielded by the British army, which looked a bit too heavy for field peices and more like garrison or naval guns, yeah, the action was okay.

The main characters in the film are modeled after real people, and the battles are based on real events, but the whole glossing over of slavery was silly, especially the white landowner having a wedding on the beech with a black family. That was hard to swallow.

Also over the top was the church-burning scene. Tarleton is regarded as one of the worst war criminals of the Revolution, and even he would never have have done anything so horrific; he was best known for a rumor that he executed American POWs after they surrendered. The British army was known for burning towns down, notably Charleston in the battle of Bunker Hill and numerous coastal raids, but they never locked the residents inside and forced them to burn to death.

To be fair, Tavington was leading American loyalists in the film, and the war was used by many Southerners as a cover for settling old scores and feuds. Many people's houses and barns were burned down under the guise of guerilla action against enemy supporters.

To be honest, I thought the movie was about Waco, since the FBI committed a similar atrocity. Gibson was clearly pushing people's buttons about freedom, and was not above embellishing historical facts to illustrate it.

Okay, enough overanalyzing Mel Gibson. Back to pro-gun movies. One of the things I remember abouot the Death Wish films was a scene in which the cops confiscate a revolver used by an elderly couple to defend themselves from intruders, which of course leads to their death by the intruders. These films bludgeoned the audience over the head with the pro-gun, anti-crime message.
 

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By "good" I didn't mean "bearing an uncharacteristic historical accuracy". :p

I was thinking more along the lines of tomahawks wielded in battle against redcoats being the epitome of badassery.
 

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marshaul wrote:
By "good" I didn't mean "bearing an uncharacteristic historical accuracy". :p

I was thinking more along the lines of tomahawks wielded in battle against redcoats being the epitome of badassery.

Well, yes, but we expect nothing less from Mad Max Rockatanskie's avatar.
 

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marshaul wrote:
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Shoot'em Up with Clive Owen and Monica Bellucci's amazing...uh...grips..heh...

Uber-Campy movie to the max, but with a kicka$$ soundtrack bottomless magazines, and lots and lots of gunplay, how can ya not like it?!?!?
Aside from it being the most smugly British anti-gun movie I've ever seen in my entire life?

How about a nonexistent plot, worse acting, and inane, seppuku-inducing jokes? How about a screenplay which is patronizing and condescending, all while maintaining utter puerility throughout?
It was horrible!!! And I freakin loved it. Who says movies have to be perfect? I ask only to be entertained, nothing more, nothing less.
 

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Evil Ernie wrote:
marshaul wrote:
Evil Ernie wrote:
Shoot'em Up with Clive Owen and Monica Bellucci's amazing...uh...grips..heh...

Uber-Campy movie to the max, but with a kicka$$ soundtrack bottomless magazines, and lots and lots of gunplay, how can ya not like it?!?!?
Aside from it being the most smugly British anti-gun movie I've ever seen in my entire life?

How about a nonexistent plot, worse acting, and inane, seppuku-inducing jokes? How about a screenplay which is patronizing and condescending, all while maintaining utter puerility throughout?
It was horrible!!! And I freakin loved it. Who says movies have to be perfect? I ask only to be entertained, nothing more, nothing less.
Hey, fair enough man. You asked. ;)
 

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sudden valley gunner wrote:
Tomahawk wrote:
Ha. We should ask for a list of pro-gun British movies. I think that'd be a very short list indeed.
James Bond?
Negative. Bond films, as much as I love them, are just reinforcing the notion that only trained government employees are qualified to own weapons, and that the government may issue a "license to kill", meaning murder is okay when the Queen does it (or the President). Bond is an "Only One", like Wyatt Earp was, another antigun movie hero.
 

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In re: "Death Wish"

I've seen the movie three or four times and for the life of me I can't call to mind a scene in which a gun was seized from an elderly couple. I'm not saying you're wrong, but if you could expand on the desciption I would be grateful.

tnx
 

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Tomahawk wrote:
sudden valley gunner wrote:
Tomahawk wrote:
Ha. We should ask for a list of pro-gun British movies. I think that'd be a very short list indeed.
James Bond?
Negative. Bond films, as much as I love them, are just reinforcing the notion that only trained government employees are qualified to own weapons, and that the government may issue a "license to kill", meaning murder is okay when the Queen does it (or the President). Bond is an "Only One", like Wyatt Earp was, another antigun movie hero.
Good point I didn't think of it from that angle its like the myriad of Cop/FBI movies we have in the States.
 

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In re: "Death Wish"

I've seen the movie three or four times and for the life of me I can't call to mind a scene in which a gun was seized from an elderly couple. I'm not saying you're wrong, but if you could expand on the desciption I would be grateful.

tnx
I think it's in one of the sequels. I may be mixing up my low-budget 70s films, though.
 

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The cops taking guns from the elderly couple was from Death Wish III.

Not an especially good movie, but certainly entertaining, if extremely ludicrous.

The firstDeath Wishhad an interesting scene in which Bronson visits someone out in Arizona. The friend explains Arizona's gun-friendly culture to him, gives him a gun and advice on how to get it through luggage screening at the airport!

This was 1974, of course, when terrorism fears weren't as severe, and screening/scanning equipment were far more primitive. (Not that I'm advocating unlawful carry on planes, just making an observation on how different things were 35 years ago).

Possible pro-gun movies:

League of Extraodinary Gentlemen: interesting scene in which Connery's character dishes out shooting advice to Tom Sawyer(!)

Secondhand Lions: haven't seen it yet (probably first in queue when I fly out of SLC on tonight's redeye), but I heard that the kid's uncle teaches him how to shoot.

Edit:

An egregiously anti-gun scene in is 44 minutes - a dramatization of the North Hollywood shootout. There's a scene in which police pop into a gun store to borrow some AR-15 rifles, and make a comment like, "Wow, civilians are allowed to own these!" Uggggh! Made me squirm!

A possibly evenly balanced made for TV movie is "Right of the People" with Michael Ontkean. The plot is this: his daughter is slain in a diner holdup gone bad. Enraged, he gets right-to-carry legislation passed. A number of instances show the effects of the new law: a police station noting "how quiet things are" indicating a deterrent effect, but the film also featured an oddball who straps on two .44 magnum revolvers and slays a bunch of fleeing robbers. Another scene shows someone who tries to stop an armed holdup, butis cut down by the robbers' gunfire.
 

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Overtaxed wrote:
A possibly evenly balanced made for TV movie is "Right of the People" with Michael Ontkean. The plot is this: his daughter is slain in a diner holdup gone bad. Enraged, he gets right-to-carry legislation passed. A number of instances show the effects of the new law: a police station noting "how quiet things are" indicating a deterrent effect, but the film also featured an oddball who straps on two .44 magnum revolvers and slays a bunch of fleeing robbers. Another scene shows someone who tries to stop an armed holdup, butis cut down by the robbers' gunfire.

I remember that movie when I growing up. I was too young to really understand politics at the time, but I remember getting a distinct anti-gun vibe from that, especially the guy with the two revolvers. It was like the producers were telling us that we are better off being victims of crime.

In those days, TV was VERY antigun, I remember an episode of Quincy in which we were subject to Quincy's ranting on the evils of guns, and the paramedic who arrives on the scene to find a shooting victim, and in the middle of applying first aid, he looks up and says, "Jesus, when are they gonna do somethin' about guns!" Gun control was at the peak of its power in the 70s and early 80s, and they were very in-your-face about it.
 

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Hello OpenCarry Forums! Back after a long hiatus and password loss. I haven't seen it in awhile, but I seem to remember The Brave One being pretty good.

+1 Gran Turino

Anybody else feel totally betrayed by the end of Tombstone? It really had me until... ''We're not sayin' you can't own a gun, we're not even sayin' you can't carry a gun, ...we're just sayin' you can't carry a gun IN TOWN!'' Incrementalism.. ugh..

The Sam Elliot reference makes me think of The Big Lebowski in terms of carry.. Lol :)
 

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Johnny Sometimes wrote:
I haven't seen it in awhile, but I seem to remember The Brave One being pretty good.
Yeah, as long as you don't watch the free extras/behind the scenes stuffthat comes on the DVD you'll be fine. It's been a while since I've seenit but I seem to remember Jodie Foster's comments in her interview about "the gun culture" in the country made me think "yup, just another Hollyweird Liberal".
 
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