LEX_XDM40compact
Regular Member
This bill seems to introduce permit less or "constitutionally" carry to the state AND allow no gun signs to become legal which are punishable by the law with fines and a misdemeanor
http://www.lrc.ky.gov/record/16RS/HB531.htm click the blue HB531 to download and read the full bill.
My question and from what I have gather this proposes with the new law of conceal carrying without permit, it will allow businesses to post signs to prohibit carrying a firearm. As currently a No gun sign has no legal standing.
From what I read with this new law no gun signs WILL become a legal standing that is punishable by a fine and up to a Class B misdemeanor.
I would really like a second thought on what the follow means?
Will they give ALL actual permit holders this or just certain ones that are mentioned right above that section?
I hope I am misreading something, as I read it we are taking one step forward with permitless carry and 2 steps backwards by changing the law on No gun signs?
This is the scary part from what I read
It calls to repeal and remove the full previous KRS which is in regards to conceal carrying - 527.020 ( at the very bottom of the Bill it mentions this )
The only true way to allow true "constitutional" carry to our state would be to simply repeal and remove KRS 527.020. We do not need to add more laws in with this.
I really do see this a huge hit and a step backwards for gun laws here in our state. They are using what we NEED to pass as the headline agenda, but adding more laws and regulations on what we already have.
Would love Gutshots opinion and reading of this
http://www.lrc.ky.gov/record/16RS/HB531.htm click the blue HB531 to download and read the full bill.
My question and from what I have gather this proposes with the new law of conceal carrying without permit, it will allow businesses to post signs to prohibit carrying a firearm. As currently a No gun sign has no legal standing.
From what I read with this new law no gun signs WILL become a legal standing that is punishable by a fine and up to a Class B misdemeanor.
(1) Except as provided in subsection (4) of this section, a person, including a person
with a license issued or recognized pursuant to Section 2 of this Act, shall not
carry a deadly weapon concealed on or about his or her person into a building or
any portion of a building which has been posted in accordance with this section
and in which any of the following are located:
(a) Any police station or sheriff's office;
(b) Any detention facility as defined in KRS 520.010;
(c) Any Court of Justice courtroom or court proceeding;
(d) Any meeting of the governing body of a city, county, urban-county
government, consolidated local government, charter county government,
unified local government, special purpose governmental entity, or special
district;
(e) Any meeting of the General Assembly or a committee of the General
Assembly, except that nothing in this section shall preclude a member of the
body from carrying a concealed deadly weapon at a meeting of the body of
which he or she is a member; and
(f) The portion of an airport to which access is controlled by the inspection of
persons and property.
(2) For the purposes of this section, "building" does not include any structure or
area of a structure designated for the parking of motor vehicles.
(3) The Attorney General shall promulgate administrative regulations prescribing
the location, content, size, and other characteristics of signs to be posted on
premises where carrying a concealed deadly weapon is prohibited pursuant to
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subsection (1) of this section. The administrative regulations shall prescribe, at a
minimum, that:
(a) The signs shall be posted at all exterior entrances to the prohibited building
or the prohibited portion of a building;
(b) The signs shall be posted at eye level of adults using the entrance and not
more than twelve (12) inches to the right or left of the entrance;
(c) The signs shall not be obstructed or altered in any way; and
(d) Signs which become illegible for any reason shall be immediately replaced.
(4) The following persons may carry concealed deadly weapons on or about their
persons at all times and in all locations within the Commonwealth of Kentucky,
except in or on the premises of a detention facility as defined in KRS 520.010
unless given express permission by the person in charge of the facility. As used in
this section, "detention facility" does not include courtrooms or other premises
used by the Court of Justice or administered by the Administrative Office of the
Courts:
(a) An elected peace officer;
(b) A nonelected peace officer, when expressly authorized to do so by the unit of
government by which he or she is employed;
(c) 1. A deputy jailer; and
2. The department head or any employee of a corrections department in
any jurisdiction where the office of elected jailer has been merged with
the office of sheriff;
who has successfully completed Department of Corrections basic training
and maintains current in-service training, when expressly authorized to do
so by the unit of government by which he or she is employed;
(d) A certified court security officer, when necessary for his or her protection in
the discharge of his or her official duties and when expressly authorized to
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do so by the unit of government employing the security officer;
(e) A United States mail carrier when engaged in his or her official duties and
in accordance with federal law and federal regulations; and
(f) 1. If they hold a license to carry a concealed a deadly weapon pursuant
to Section 2 of this Act:
a. A Commonwealth's attorney or assistant Commonwealth's
attorney;
b. A retired Commonwealth's attorney or retired assistant
Commonwealth's attorney;
c. A county attorney or assistant county attorney;
d. A retired county attorney or retired assistant county attorney;
e. A justice or judge of the Court of Justice; and
f. A retired or senior status justice or judge of the Court of Justice.
2. A person specified in this subsection who is issued a concealed carry
deadly weapon license shall be issued a license which bears on its face
the statement that it is valid at all locations within the Commonwealth
of Kentucky, and may have such other identifying characteristics as
determined by the Department of Kentucky State Police.
(5) Nothing in this section shall be construed to:
(a) Permit the carrying or possession of a firearm where it is prohibited by
federal law;
(b) Impair the ability of the owner or legal possessor of private property to
regulate or prohibit the carrying or possession of firearms on such property,
provided that any business or commercial enterprise which is accessible to
the general public and from which firearms are prohibited shall be posted
in accordance with subsection (3) of this section, and no prohibition shall
apply to the carrying, transport, storage, or use of a firearm in conformity
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with Section 3 of this Act; or
(c) Impair or limit the authority to restrict or prohibit the carrying or
possession of deadly weapons pursuant to Section 9 of this Act.
(6) A person who carries a firearm or other deadly weapon in violation of this
section, if the premises are posted in accordance with administrative regulations
promulgated by the Attorney General under subsection (3) of this section,
commits a noncriminal violation with a penalty payable to the clerk of the District
Court of fifty dollars ($50) for the first offense and one hundred dollars ($100)
for the second offense. A third or subsequent offense is a Class B misdemeanor.
I would really like a second thought on what the follow means?
2. A person specified in this subsection who is issued a concealed carry
deadly weapon license shall be issued a license which bears on its face
the statement that it is valid at all locations within the Commonwealth
of Kentucky, and may have such other identifying characteristics as
determined by the Department of Kentucky State Police.
Will they give ALL actual permit holders this or just certain ones that are mentioned right above that section?
I hope I am misreading something, as I read it we are taking one step forward with permitless carry and 2 steps backwards by changing the law on No gun signs?
This is the scary part from what I read
A person who carries a firearm or other deadly weapon in violation of this
section, if the premises are posted in accordance with administrative regulations
promulgated by the Attorney General under subsection (3) of this section,
commits a noncriminal violation with a penalty payable to the clerk of the District
Court of fifty dollars ($50) for the first offense and one hundred dollars ($100)
for the second offense. A third or subsequent offense is a Class B misdemeanor.
It calls to repeal and remove the full previous KRS which is in regards to conceal carrying - 527.020 ( at the very bottom of the Bill it mentions this )
The only true way to allow true "constitutional" carry to our state would be to simply repeal and remove KRS 527.020. We do not need to add more laws in with this.
I really do see this a huge hit and a step backwards for gun laws here in our state. They are using what we NEED to pass as the headline agenda, but adding more laws and regulations on what we already have.
Would love Gutshots opinion and reading of this
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