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firefighterSTFD22 wrote:
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GhostRider,
You are correct! I mistated regarding the first 3 sentences (poor punctuation/capitilaziation threw me off) To what I was refering was...
...I am a Marine, not Army... yeah i'm sure you all care.
Obviously KG got his panties in a bunch because somebody refered to him a a member of the Army and not the Marines.
You are NOT being argumentative; and I appreciate direct questions. I will stand up and defend my stance regarding this matter the same as I have put my job on the line questioning policy and requesting change in my own townships ordinances.
People "autosurgeon" can call me an "instigator" all they want; the only thing I have INSTIGATED is leagal gun laws in the area in which I live.
People seem so free to let a member like myself go (withOUT knowing what I have done at the 'grassroots' level) so let it be. ISMOID, autosurgeon,steve, and Taurus850CIA can handle it from here!
Thank you for such a civil response.
First, in autosurgeon's defense, even I though you came across as confrontational (instigator). Just think how it looks when you place things in context of my questioning your "... first three sentences." comment. Face, if taken at face value it does sound irrational, and makes you look like an instigator. So please, cut him a little slack. In all honesty, I was quite surprised to receive such a civil and polite response from you based on your initial post. Pleasantly surprised I might add.
Keep in mind that there are a LOT of people right now who are posting and promoting flat out lies and misinformation about what happened, what happens, and what is happening. Does that sound to "tin foil hat" to you? Well, think about these facts before you jump to that conclusions.
Fact: At the end of that day (after everyone had long been home), the group photo was first posted on this web site at 2358 that evening. That photo has been and from the sounds of it still is being circulated in the law enforcement information system labeling the group members as "persons of interest", and who know what else. There is no possible way this could have been done until the day after the event took place.
If you can't see some impropriety in that, then I don't know what to tell you. The Ponderosa incident was over with by 1445 that day (I know because that's when I showed up, and no one was there). That alone indicates that there is difinitely "something wrong in Denmark" (especially when the officers were told that "it's legal" over their radio on the scene (it's in the video). Combine that with the wave of lies and misinformation that have been coming on like an onslaught through cyberspace just this past week, and know that your post fits right in. Because of that, based on your initial post (as well as the one on the other forum), you came accross (to me) as someone who was instigating. Like it or not, the "instigator" label was not unfair in light of your posts on this thread.
autosurgeon is just trying to keep things from flaming up, and in truth, he wasn't even addressing you, but instead others who might engage in a flame war. While I believe he was referring to you, he could just have easily been making a general blanket statement (probably makes more sense than just referring to you). When you took offense, understand that it was by
your choice. You didn't have to take offense, just as I did not have to automatically conclude that you were being irrational based on your "... three sentences..." comment. In truth, I would have been much more justified in doing so than you in your criticism of autosurgeon (or even Kimberguy for that matter) because you were being confrontational (downright angry) while he was just trying to calm the waters. But you chose to take offense. You could have chose to instead seek clarification, but you weren't interested in that, co you chose the former. The irony is that, when you don't seem to understand why someone might view you as an instigator in light when you chose to take that offense.
Second:
As to KG's comments about the army. Well I personally think that he can be a bit of a smart alec, but I also know that he can be an easy going guy, so it's a tossup. I chose to take it as humor intended to lighten the mood. But there is another aspect that some may not consider. Marines are trained to be proud of their service, and calling them Army is a gross breach of etiquette. Even in that I though he came across as light hearted.
Here's my observation.
Without seeking any clarification as to KG's or autosurgeon's intent, you chose to take offense in both cases casting negative aspirations on any potential discourse. Now, please understand that what I'm about to next say is in the most gentle, sincere, and non-antagonistic manner, and if you were here with me you would know it isn't meant in to be taken in a bad way. You come across as a "hot head", when you choose to take offense rather than give people the benefit of the doubt or at least give them a chance to explain themselves first. Your doing the same thing that you accuse autosurgeon of.
Remember, fools rush towards trouble, while the wise man waits for discernment.
